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  • Homosexuality in Ancient Greece

    • Web sitehttp://www.androphile.org/S/Culture/Greece/

    • Web sitehttp://www.well.com/user/assaf/HiAG.html

  • Kenneth J. Dover, (1978), "e;Greek Homosexuality"e;, Duckworth.

    • Revised 1979.

    • Updated with a new postscript 1990, Harvard University Press, 246 pages, ISBN 0674362705 (paperback).

  • Erik Gunderson, (2000), "e;Staging Masculinity: The rhetoric of performance in the Roman world"e;, University Press of Michigan, 271 pages, ISBN 0 472 11139 6.

    In briefby Jon Hesk inThe Times Literary Supplement, 2nd. February, 2001, page 33. "e;To be a good orator is to be avir bonusandthatmust involve self-conscious mastering (and constant remastering) of public delivery, as well as the intense surveillance of every inch of the (gendered) body; voice, diction, gestures, walk, posture, and dress must all be carefully policed if the orator is to avoid condemnation. Quintilian even warns against comic eyebrows and unrestrained nostrils (while a wobbly neck is a sure sign of servility). And then there is the problem of how the manly orator distinguishes himself from the effeminate actor; Gunderson wonderfully captures Cicero's Crassus (who appears as a character inDe Oratore), as he histrionically rejects the movements of the stage."e;

  • Craig A. Williams, (2000), "e;Roman Homosexuality: Ideologies of masculinity in classical antiquity"e;, Oxford University Press, 395 pages, ISBN 0 19 511300 4.

    They weren't like usby W. V. Harris inThe Times Literary Supplement, 28th. April, 2000, pages 5-6. "e;After a notorious banquet at which he had terrorized 'the leading senators and knights' who were his guests, the Emperor Domitian made amends by sending them, among other gifts, the good-looking slave boys, who, naked and painted black, had performed a ballet (they were meant to be ghosts). He knew his subjects' sexual tastes. InRoman Homosexuality: Ideologies of masculinity in classical antiquity, Craig Williams shows conclusively, on the basis of a rich variety of material (though, oddly, not this story), that a high proportion of Roman upper-class males shared a taste for having sex with slave boys. Nor did they pretend otherwise."e;

    "e;It has taken a terribly long time to get this matter sorted out. Not that scholars have always had their eyes closed.A. E. Housman, nearly a century ago, wrote that the Romans 'saw no inconguity' between love of women and love of boys (adding that they distinguished between an active and a passive role). The great pioneer in the study of Roman sexual behaviour was Housman's contemporary Wilhelm Kroll (1869-1939). But within the past decade, scholars have told us, and asserted under oath in the 1993 Colorado lawsuitRomer vs Evans, either that the Romans generally deplored homosexuality as a Greek vice, or alternatively that they regarded it with complete equanimity."e;

    "e;With extraordinary clarity and persuasiveness, Williams shows that in the upper class, at least, the normal adult male was expected to desire insertive sex with young males, but that the social code permitted him such pleasures only with his own slaves. It was held to be highly dishonourable, on the other hand, for a man to experience sexual penetration. So the concept 'homosexuality' itself turns out to be a large part of the historical problem - the Romans had no attitude to it one way or the other, because their own concepts were on a different plane. In consequence, Williams is somewhat sheepish about the title of his book, saying that he is 'reifying' the concept of homosexuality 'only temporarily and for strategic purposes'."e;

    "e;One effect ofRoman Homosexualityought to be the final disappearance of the historical mirage, beloved ofJohn Boswelland others, in which the Roman elite enjoyed a world substantially free of hang-ups about homoerotic acts. For the restrictions were severe: unless they were prostitutes, even other people's slaves were out of bounds. And, though Williams will not admit the fact, there was a law, rarely enforced, it is true, but indicative of what had once been proper thinking, that rather plainly forbade sexual acts with freeborn boys and perhaps with adult males too."e;

    "e;But what of thecinaedi, whom some recent scholars have taken to be Rome's 'homosexuals'? Williams rightly rejects this identification, but then, in the face of admittedly confusing evidence, tells us that thecinaediwere (male) 'gender deviants'. He forces a handful of texts to yield the notion thatcinaediwere sometimes imagined to be adulterers. But we should understand the word to refer primarily to men who made public their desire for 'passive' homoerotic roles. Which implies the unsurprising conclusion that quite a number of Roman men who desired 'active' sex with other males were not satisfied with their own slaves or with pristitutes and sought pleasure elsewhere."e;

  • Nikos Vrissimtzis, (1999), "e;Love, Sex and Marriage: A Guide to the Private Life of the Ancient Greeks"e;

    • Book tells it straight about sex lives of ancient Greeksby Helena Smith inThe Guardian, 16th. August, 1999, page 9. "e; 'The book takes a very different point of view to the traditional one that is held around certain sexual practices in ancient Greece,' said its author, Nikos Vrissimtzis. 'Contrary to popular opinion, that world was not a paradise for homosexuals'."e;

      "e;Mr Vrissimtzis, a sociologist, wrote the book after studying classical texts, inscriptions and pottery in museums and libraries. He claims that while the ancients saw sex as completely natural and had no inhibitions or taboos, they were guided by social rather than moral dictates. This made life particularly difficult for homosexuals in a patriarchal society where male passivity was dispised. For centuries western classicists, invoking the amorous trysts of gods, demi-gods and heroes, have contended that homosexuality was not only socially acceptable but actively encouraged in ancient times. Sir Kenneth Dover, in the classic work on the subject, maintained that homosexuality was complimentary to heterosexuality, and widespread. But Mr Vrissimtzis said: 'The worst term of abuse for any man was that he was 'broad-bummed', a direct reference to homosexuals. Although homosexuality was tolerated it was frowned upon by society. There were laws that forbade homosexuals from entering the agora marketplace or participating in rights and rituals that involved the state, like the great Dionysian festivals in Athens'."e;

    • Deviance, if you likeby Ben Rogers inThe Guardian, 26th. August, 1999, page 23. "e;Classicists have tended to deal with this delicate matter in one of two ways. The first was to treat Greek homosexuality as a horrible aberration - 'Omit: a reference to the unspeakable vice of the Greeks', says Dr Cornwallis, dean of a Cambridge college, to a student dutifully translating aloud from an unnamed Greek author inEM Forster's novel Maurice. The other has been to use the Greeks to legitimise same-sex sex. The earliest published work championing passionate love between men took the form of a Swiss tract (published by an obscure pastor, Heinrich Hossli, in 1836), on male love in Ancient Greece. Forty years later, in the 1870s, the earliest study of 'Greek love' in English, byJohn Addington Symonds, was explicitly designed to promote judicial reform. The subject is still often studied for the same reason. Many of the leading historians and theorists of Greek sexuality - Michel Foucault, John Boswell, John Winkler and David Halperin - were or are gay."e;

      "e;A closer reading of Vrissimtzis's 90-page study should make even the non-expert wary. Its author seems to belong, with Mr Carnwallis, to that class that doesn't approve of homosexuality. Pederasty, he says, should not be confused with homosexuality because it was 'an institution of noble and high ideals'. The Greeks as a whole showed a healthy 'aversion towards abnormal relations'."e;

      "e;Judging from the popularity of the book in Greece, this is a message modern Greeks want to hear. What a pity, then, that it is so much tosh: Mr Vrissimtzis's book rests on a lie that it is important to nail. If there is one book on the sexual lives of the Greeks that all classical scholars honour it is Kenneth Dover's 1978 work, Greek Homosexuality. Dover himself, a brilliant and distinguished classical scholar, is heterosexual but he came to the subject with a refreshingly unbiased mind. ('I am fortunate', he wrote in his preface, 'in not experiencing moral shock or disgust at any genital act whatsoever, provided that it is welcome and ageeable to all the participants'.)"e;

      "e;Dover provides evidence to suggest same-sex relations were accepted in most Greek states, and this acceptance certainly endured into Roman times."e;

      "e;But if it is silly to look to the Greeks as some sort of an examplar - they were a prejudiced, macho lot - one book published last month by the American classical scholar, philosopher and feminist Martha Nussbaum suggests they might still have something to teach us. Sex And Social Justice is dedicated to Kenneth Dover and largely endorses his interpretation of Greek sexual customs. Yet, she argues, the ancients' ways of ordering their desires do at least remind us that sexuality is very largely socially constructed. It is not given by either God or nature."e;

      "e;Ben Rogers is straight"e;


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